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Destiny · Platinum

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Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

Not interested in taking on Maxwell or Watson they are Clintonistas and therefore I have no intention of helping anyone take them out. I think the PUMAs need to figure out if they are just attacking Democrats because they are angry at all Democrats or do we protect the Clintonistas. I will do whatever is possible to take out Pelosi but the other two I am not interested in.
Remember though that unfortunity it is going to be extremely difficult to remove Maxwell and Watson they are elected by African Americans most of whom are women. I really don't see anyone threatening them. I really don't want to replace these two with Obots.

Destiny · Platinum

By the way, this email was sent by a Hillary supporter, a puma.

As I said before, I think the tea party movement will be trying to remove all dems.

In the meantime, do check out these youtubes and the comments.

Personally, I'd rather have a shake up then continue with the same old, same old.

I think people like Lady Lynn are the true Pumas. A Hillary supporter who doesn't support anyone who thinks obamie is doing a good job.

We need a leader who knows everyone's record. Right now, we only have the tea party leading the way with revenge.

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

Destiny wrote:

By the way, this email was sent by a Hillary supporter, a puma.

As I said before, I think the tea party movement will be trying to remove all dems.

In the meantime, do check out these youtubes and the comments.

Personally, I'd rather have a shake up then continue with the same old, same old.

I think people like Lady Lynn are the true Pumas. A Hillary supporter who doesn't support anyone who thinks obamie is doing a good job.

We need a leader who knows everyone's record. Right now, we only have the tea party leading the way with revenge.

That would mean Lady Lynn is NOT backing Hillary which means I will no longer follow her. PUMA doesn't mean that anyway. Hillary supporters either support Hillary or they don't if Lady Lynn no longer supports Hillary then why is she pretending to still support her.
PUMA doesn't mean get rid of all Democrats it means Person over party and if you are just backing all Republicans then your not a PUMA your a pub.
I don't give a damn about the tea party movement. Its ok but not something I am interested in becoming involved with. I will defend the people in this movement since the left wing media likes to call them tea baggers a really offensive term. I think what they do is great but for me to back all Republicans is insane.
Santorium runs in 2012 and wins the GOP Primary I will become an Obama supporter so fast your head will spin. He's an idiot a bigger idiot then Obama.

Alex · Diamond

I will NEVER become an Obama supporter, of course. He doesn't even LIKE America. If I had to choose between Santorum and Obama, I'd just disengage from that level and pay attention to races that held some decent people in them.

The symbol of what Obama stands for, for me, is his flipping off Hillary Clinton and John McCain. He is not worthy of my support, ever!

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

Alex wrote:

I will NEVER become an Obama supporter, of course. He doesn't even LIKE America. If I had to choose between Santorum and Obama, I'd just disengage from that level and pay attention to races that held some decent people in them.

The symbol of what Obama stands for, for me, is his flipping off Hillary Clinton and John McCain. He is not worthy of my support, ever!

I am unlikely to vote for him either lol Rick Santurium is a disquesting person and IMO worse then Obama. He didn't give a damn about PA. He was my Rep and my Senator for far to long

freespirit · Moderator

If our choices were Santorium V Obama, I would refrain from voting.

The issue regarding whether to support Clinton Dems or no Dems is a tricky one, IMO. Many of us struggled with whether to support Coakley or Brown. I see this as a strictly personal decision, and that neither choice is against PUMA principles. The reason for that is that PUMA is, from my perspective, a broad umbrella covering multiple points of view. Following the primary, some PUMAs decided to vote only the down ticket Dems. Some supported McCain/Palin. Some voted third party. But, all were PUMAs.

Regarding the Coakley/Brown election, my own impulse was initially to support a Coakley win. But, in reading the various blogs, forums, etc., associated with PUMA or with Clinton supporters, I began to recall with increasing clarity the 2008 primary and the commitment I made, and many others made to help defeat Dem candidates at least through 2010, maybe 2012. The rationale was that the only thing that would make the DNC aware of the damage they had done by stealing the nomination from Hillary was losing elections. I still think this is the way to go. Now, if the Pubs begin to get too much power and/or swing far right, I would have no choice but to work against election of more pubs.

Are there some negatives to that plan (let me say, this is just my way, others should do as they think best)? Yes. As we saw in the MA election, a good Dem, a female, a strong Hill supporter was defeated. But, did the Dems seel the light - recognize the error of their ways? They recognized they had screwed up. Some claimed it was Martha's fault because of mistakes she made. Others blame it on Obama. I'm sure there are other opinions out there. But, as we keep blogging, commenting, writing letters, etc. the message will become clearer: The Dems lost, in part, because of the corrupt practices in which they engaged in 2008 - including taking Hillary's votes, rigging caucus elections, and the many other reasons of which we are all aware. They know what they did.

Sometimes the only thing to do in order to set things right in the long term, is to take some licks in the short term. My plan is to continue to work against Dems (except Hillary) through the end of the year, maybe longer. If things change or begin to get too Red, I'll have to reassess. PUMA means Party Unity My Ass. Within that frame work, as I see it, there's room for personal interpretation, and there's a requirement for respecting the way in which other PUMAs choose to express their ... well - Pumaness.

Destiny · Platinum

Well said, Freespirit and Alex.

Did anyone look at the videos?

The reason Lady Lynn is a Hillary supporter is the same reason we all are. Like us, she would support Hillary in a heart beat.

Check out the dems in these videos, they are clearly into socialism. This is what people are thinking about dems now.

Pumas are not behind getting republicans in office. The tea parties I went to were mostly republicans, military and very patriotic. They start every tea party with the pledge of Allegiance. And, their speakers talk about how they must fight against socialism and government take-overs to keep America the land of the free. They dress in red, white and blue, carry our flag and they know their American history. They talk about "ending the fed", farmers and the one world order. They are the people who are going after the dems.

If Martha made a point NOT to have obama campaign for her and broke away from supporting all obama, all the time, then things might have been different for her. Imagine if she had Hillary standing with her (and Hillary wasn't working for obama) on that stage doing the winner pose with her? The tea party would have been into a bigger fight and most likely lose.

I don't know anyone who may or may not be running in 2010 or 2012, but I do know that Obama is an anti-american, lying, racist fraud. He just plain hates America. And, I personally could never trust or forgive him for the way he treated Hillary and her supporters. And, his supporters in the government are clearly up his butt and are trying to ride on the obama coat tails. IMO, they also can't be trusted. They are the ones that need to go.

Is this all insane? You bet ya it's insane. But, we have been living in insanity since Sept. 11, 2001. So, let's all join in the craziness and enjoy the ride!

Sanders · Diamond

Hillarysmygirl16 wrote:
Destiny wrote:
By the way, this email was sent by a Hillary supporter, a puma.

As I said before, I think the tea party movement will be trying to remove all dems.

In the meantime, do check out these youtubes and the comments.

Personally, I'd rather have a shake up then continue with the same old, same old.

I think people like Lady Lynn are the true Pumas. A Hillary supporter who doesn't support anyone who thinks obamie is doing a good job.

We need a leader who knows everyone's record. Right now, we only have the tea party leading the way with revenge.

That would mean Lady Lynn is NOT backing Hillary which means I will no longer follow her. PUMA doesn't mean that anyway. Hillary supporters either support Hillary or they don't if Lady Lynn no longer supports Hillary then why is she pretending to still support her.
PUMA doesn't mean get rid of all Democrats it means Person over party and if you are just backing all Republicans then your not a PUMA your a pub.
I don't give a damn about the tea party movement. Its ok but not something I am interested in becoming involved with. I will defend the people in this movement since the left wing media likes to call them tea baggers a really offensive term. I think what they do is great but for me to back all Republicans is insane.
Santorium runs in 2012 and wins the GOP Primary I will become an Obama supporter so fast your head will spin. He's an idiot a bigger idiot then Obama.

I do not think the email originated from Lady Lynn. Not sure it originated from a PUMA either (although it got forwarded by a PUMA). It certainly came from someone who follows Glenn Beck.

I would follow Lady Lynn. She is truly indepedent and is strongly supportive of Clintonistas. Even in the wake of Coakley's loss, Lady Lynn supported Coakley with an open letter in Huffington Post and before that a mail out.. I had posted it here.

The issue in the above videos.. I see them differently.

First of all, regarding the video by Glenn Beck, if you take out the blue flickering screens and the "scary music" the material is bland. It does not make the rest of the videos any scarier. Whoever was sending these videos wants to declare Diane and Maxine as communists.. I disagree. The scale is drastically different. I have begun to discount Glenn Beck, and could not take too much of that show's hype the other day.

Regarding the first two videos.. Diane Watson and Maxine Waters..

I have no issue with people seeing leadership in various people. There are positives and negatives in almost everyone. As long as they do not emmerse themselves in one philosophy that is inconsistent with our Constitution and therefore what we as citizens subscribe to, we should be ok.

I do not find so much issue with Congresswoman Diane Watson pointing to Cuba as an exemplar health care system. Now, do not get me wrong; I do not take it as the ideal. But people can find inspirations from various places for various aspects of things, including the extent of coverage it gives to people. That does not mean you bring it in wholesale.

With that, I find Anita Dunn's position and constantly referring to one source for inspiration problematic... and I hope that she counter-balances with other heros and heroines, especially given that she advices our President.

I do find it problematic that Congresswoman Maxine Waters is so readily embracing socialism ... catches herself knowing that she is on camera, and proceeds to explain it with basically embracing the concept of nationalizing companies.

This goes well beyond taking inspiration from one exemplar implementation (as in the case of Diane Watson) or even drawing inspiration from one problematic source (as in the case of Anita Dunn). Maxine Waters sits in policy making position, and in a policy advocacy/examination/inquiry situation clearly advocating and pushing forth socialism.

As such, I am ok with Diane Watson, but not with Maxine Waters.

I appreciate that your view on Maxine Waters is different.. Just wanted you to see how I got to where I am. Thanks for reading.

And, yes, if Santorum wins and runs against Obama, I may have to swing to Obama.

-- Edited by Sanders on Sunday 24th of January 2010 11:17:55 PM

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

Sanders wrote:

Hillarysmygirl16 wrote:
Destiny wrote:
By the way, this email was sent by a Hillary supporter, a puma.

As I said before, I think the tea party movement will be trying to remove all dems.

In the meantime, do check out these youtubes and the comments.

Personally, I'd rather have a shake up then continue with the same old, same old.

I think people like Lady Lynn are the true Pumas. A Hillary supporter who doesn't support anyone who thinks obamie is doing a good job.

We need a leader who knows everyone's record. Right now, we only have the tea party leading the way with revenge.

That would mean Lady Lynn is NOT backing Hillary which means I will no longer follow her. PUMA doesn't mean that anyway. Hillary supporters either support Hillary or they don't if Lady Lynn no longer supports Hillary then why is she pretending to still support her.
PUMA doesn't mean get rid of all Democrats it means Person over party and if you are just backing all Republicans then your not a PUMA your a pub.
I don't give a damn about the tea party movement. Its ok but not something I am interested in becoming involved with. I will defend the people in this movement since the left wing media likes to call them tea baggers a really offensive term. I think what they do is great but for me to back all Republicans is insane.
Santorium runs in 2012 and wins the GOP Primary I will become an Obama supporter so fast your head will spin. He's an idiot a bigger idiot then Obama.
I do not think the email originated from Lady Lynn. Not sure it originated from a PUMA either (although it got forwarded by a PUMA). It certainly came from someone who follows Glenn Beck.

I would follow Lady Lynn. She is truly indepedent and is strongly supportive of Clintonistas. Even in the wake of Coakley's loss, Lady Lynn supported Coakley with an open letter in Huffington Post and before that a mail out.. I had posted it here.

The issue in the above videos.. I see them differently.

First of all, regarding the video by Glenn Beck, if you take out the blue flickering screens and the "scary music" the material is bland. It does not make the rest of the videos any scarier. Whoever was sending these videos wants to declare Diane and Maxine as communists.. I disagree. The scale is drastically different. I have begun to discount Glenn Beck, and could not take too much of that show's hype the other day.

Regarding the first two videos.. Diane Watson and Maxine Waters..

I have no issue with people seeing leadership in various people. There are positives and negatives in almost everyone. As long as they do not emmerse themselves in one philosophy that is inconsistent with our Constitution and therefore what we as citizens subscribe to, we should be ok.

I do not find so much issue with Congresswoman Diane Watson pointing to Cuba as an exemplar health care system. Now, do not get me wrong; I do not take it as the ideal. But people can find inspirations from various places for various aspects of things, including the extent of coverage it gives to people. That does not mean you bring it in wholesale.

With that, I find Anita Dunn's position and constantly referring to one source for inspiration problematic... and I hope that she counter-balances with other heros and heroines, especially given that she advices our President.

I do find it problematic that Congresswoman Maxine Waters is so readily embracing socialism ... catches herself knowing that she is on camera, and proceeds to explain it with basically embracing the concept of nationalizing companies.
This goes well beyond taking inspiration from one exemplar implementation (as in the case of Diane Watson) or even drawing inspiration from one problematic source (as in the case of Anita Dunn). Maxine Waters sits in policy making position, and in a policy advocacy/examination/inquiry situation clearly advocating and pushing forth socialism.
As such, I am ok with Diane Watson, but not with Maxine Waters.

I appreciate that your view on Maxine Waters is different.. Just wanted you to see how I got to where I am. Thanks for reading.

And, yes, if Santorum wins and runs against Obama, I may have to swing to Obama.

-- Edited by Sanders on Sunday 24th of January 2010 11:17:55 PM

Personally I don't care about any one Rep being a Socialist or even a President. Frankly that isn't going to do a damn thing to hurt this country.
LOL I bet if Obama reads this thread he will be praying that Santurium will be the GOP nominiee in 2012.

freespirit · Moderator

Lots to think about. With regard to the videos, while there may be some commonalities, and while I don't doubt that some Dems in congress and in the WH are proponents of socialism, I don't see a conspiratorial pattern in the four videos. As far as Watson's comments about Castro are concerned, I don't doubt that she's right about his being very bright. This is obviously a good attribute in a dictator, and it's Ms. Watson's right to admire him. But, unless she mentioned the suffering his reign been responsible for in Cuba, she hasn't told the full story. As far as health care system is concerned, it sounds like she's bought into Michael Moore's film about national health care in Cuba, Canada, and England. I think it's called "Sicko". I saw that movie, and I don't believe Moore provided a completely accurate account of health care in Cuba - or any of the other places discussed in the film.

Regarding Maxine Waters, I can't help but like her because of her support of Hillary. If, however, she wants socialism in this country, I would work to defeat her.

Anita Dunn - I would not be surprised at anything she says or does.

As far as Jack Cafferty is concerned, I can't watch him. That repulsive man has bashed Hillary and Palin mercilessly and he has displayed gross sexism. Good Ole Jack held Obama worship hour every night on CNN.