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Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

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Lynne · Platinum

I still respect Hillary for her past accomplishments. I will wait to make my decision if or when the time comes. I don't blindly follow anyone. Unlike some Obama supporters, I can accept that a person I respect is not perfect and I can dislike her actions. I think that is a common characteristic of Hillary supporters. We know she is not the Messiah and we are willing to admit that not all of her actions are great.

I am fine with people who have changed their mind about Hillary. I respect everyone's opinion.

But my decision to get rid of Obama will never change. All these people who ignore the public and verbally abused and strong armed the public have to be voted out of office.

freespirit · Moderator

HMG, I understand your anger. I'm not surprised that Hillary and Bill supported this because they have always wanted health care reform. I don't fault them for fighting for what they believe is right, even if I don't agree with their views. The way in which the Dems "passed" this bill is almost as disappointing as parts of the bill, itself. I know Hillary couldn't speak out against the handling of this issue by the Dems, but Bill could have, and I wish he had been more vocal - although I do think he made some comments about the lack of transparency.

Regardless, unless there is a great shift before 2012, I don't think any Dem has a snow ball's chance in hell of getting elected POTUS. Having said that - I understand that the "free" benefits of this bill will kick in first - rigged that way by the Dems to give the country the impression that HCR is working and that we're not sinking in debt because of the bill. If the Dem deception works, I'm guessing Obama will be in a better position to run and win. If not, I think the jig is up. The Dems will be done - at least for the foreseeable future.

I still think Hillary is the best chance this country. If she runs, I'll support her. But, in this crazy political climate where up is down and down is up, I certainly don't blame others for being disillusioned with her and with the whole damn effort.

I know that even if you do change this forum to PUMA or Independent, you will still not allow any sexism against Hillary or anyone. That's been the hallmark of this forum from day one, and that will always be one of the most important factors to me. I don't think there's a single political player with whom I would agree 100 % of the time - including Hillary. When any political candidate deserves criticism on performance or ability, she/he should be criticized - including Hillary. If people disagree with her actions, they should feel free to state it. That's a very different thing to me than bashing based on sexism or made-up crap like MSM has always done - calling her "polarizing", etc.

rachel · Platinum

That's too bad if you change it. I would miss the site and hate it if the site turned into a bash Hillary site.

Sanders · Diamond

freespirit wrote:
HMG, I understand your anger. I'm not surprised that Hillary and Bill supported this because they have always wanted health care reform. I don't fault them for fighting for what they believe is right, even if I don't agree with their views. The way in which the Dems "passed" this bill is almost as disappointing as parts of the bill, itself. I know Hillary couldn't speak out against the handling of this issue by the Dems, but Bill could have, and I wish he had been more vocal - although I do think he made some comments about the lack of transparency.

Regardless, unless there is a great shift before 2012, I don't think any Dem has a snow ball's chance in hell of getting elected POTUS. Having said that - I understand that the "free" benefits of this bill will kick in first - rigged that way by the Dems to give the country the impression that HCR is working and that we're not sinking in debt because of the bill. If the Dem deception works, I'm guessing Obama will be in a better position to run and win. If not, I think the jig is up. The Dems will be done - at least for the foreseeable future.

I still think Hillary is the best chance this country. If she runs, I'll support her. But, in this crazy political climate where up is down and down is up, I certainly don't blame others for being disillusioned with her and with the whole damn effort.

I know that even if you do change this forum to PUMA or Independent, you will still not allow any sexism against Hillary or anyone. That's been the hallmark of this forum from day one, and that will always be one of the most important factors to me. I don't think there's a single political player with whom I would agree 100 % of the time - including Hillary. When any political candidate deserves criticism on performance or ability, she/he should be criticized - including Hillary. If people disagree with her actions, they should feel free to state it. That's a very different thing to me than bashing based on sexism or made-up crap like MSM has always done - calling her "polarizing", etc.

Well put. You all can express so much better than I can. Thanks.

Like you all, I would be very saddened if this site turned away from Hillary, worse if it became a Hillary bashing place. I really hope we stay with Hillary.

Building 4112 · Moderator

Aww......how's our little girl doing with her feeding schedule, and how is your daughter mending from surgery? I want to see that Easter outfit you'have picked out for her.

I know what all of you mean, sometimes your're running up hill, and other times down hill,
and it wears on your heart. Hillary has been taking better care of us, and our Country.
There are things we know, and things we don't know at this point, and in regards to the
possiblity of her running for office. This whole political scene is so wrapped up, that I often
wonder what the hell am I doing here? I will not comply with the dems, including Hillary, and willnot comply with the GOP, because both parties have taken away women's rights, as though we aren't people, ant once again told to get over it.

I realize that Hillary has got to frame her support (or lack of), in such a way, that encourages
her to stick together for the benefit of the party. She's not been and never will be a quitter.

If the flame goes out for Hillary, I'll be the first to admit I will feel like I've lost friends. All of us, in good faith, fight for the cause to better the lives of women, and support them here and all over the world. We are really hard pressed on where to go from here, so if you decide
otherwise, I'll still be here, I will not accept sexism, and the taking away women's rights.

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

rachel wrote:

That's too bad if you change it. I would miss the site and hate it if the site turned into a bash Hillary site.

LOL It would never be a bash Hillary site. I am not the bashing type. I bash Obama but only because his supporters treatened my life and set my tree on fire. Anyone who tells his supporters to get into people's faces deserve to be bashed.
I was thinking of a different direction is all.

Amy Dugan · Platinum

Sanders wrote:

freespirit wrote:
HMG, I understand your anger. I'm not surprised that Hillary and Bill supported this because they have always wanted health care reform. I don't fault them for fighting for what they believe is right, even if I don't agree with their views. The way in which the Dems "passed" this bill is almost as disappointing as parts of the bill, itself. I know Hillary couldn't speak out against the handling of this issue by the Dems, but Bill could have, and I wish he had been more vocal - although I do think he made some comments about the lack of transparency.

Regardless, unless there is a great shift before 2012, I don't think any Dem has a snow ball's chance in hell of getting elected POTUS. Having said that - I understand that the "free" benefits of this bill will kick in first - rigged that way by the Dems to give the country the impression that HCR is working and that we're not sinking in debt because of the bill. If the Dem deception works, I'm guessing Obama will be in a better position to run and win. If not, I think the jig is up. The Dems will be done - at least for the foreseeable future.

I still think Hillary is the best chance this country. If she runs, I'll support her. But, in this crazy political climate where up is down and down is up, I certainly don't blame others for being disillusioned with her and with the whole damn effort.

I know that even if you do change this forum to PUMA or Independent, you will still not allow any sexism against Hillary or anyone. That's been the hallmark of this forum from day one, and that will always be one of the most important factors to me. I don't think there's a single political player with whom I would agree 100 % of the time - including Hillary. When any political candidate deserves criticism on performance or ability, she/he should be criticized - including Hillary. If people disagree with her actions, they should feel free to state it. That's a very different thing to me than bashing based on sexism or made-up crap like MSM has always done - calling her "polarizing", etc.
Well put. You all can express so much better than I can. Thanks.

Like you all, I would be very saddened if this site turned away from Hillary, worse if it became a Hillary bashing place. I really hope we stay with Hillary.

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Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

Building 4112 wrote:

Aww......how's our little girl doing with her feeding schedule, and how is your daughter mending from surgery? I want to see that Easter outfit you'have picked out for her.

I know what all of you mean, sometimes your're running up hill, and other times down hill,
and it wears on your heart. Hillary has been taking better care of us, and our Country.
There are things we know, and things we don't know at this point, and in regards to the
possiblity of her running for office. This whole political scene is so wrapped up, that I often
wonder what the hell am I doing here? I will not comply with the dems, including Hillary, and willnot comply with the GOP, because both parties have taken away women's rights, as though we aren't people, ant once again told to get over it.

I realize that Hillary has got to frame her support (or lack of), in such a way, that encourages
her to stick together for the benefit of the party. She's not been and never will be a quitter.

If the flame goes out for Hillary, I'll be the first to admit I will feel like I've lost friends. All of us, in good faith, fight for the cause to better the lives of women, and support them here and all over the world. We are really hard pressed on where to go from here, so if you decide
otherwise, I'll still be here, I will not accept sexism, and the taking away women's rights.

She's eatting well lol and often. She has the best temperment which is good. Haley is doing fine but seems to have a touch of Post Partum depression. It doesn't help that her cousin was murdered the day the baby was born and Haley found out about it on the news. She is recovering nicely however she has edema.
Poor Haley has large breasts before but now she looks like Pam Anderson on steriods. The Baby has taken over out home lol. She is spolied rotten.

freespirit · Moderator

OMG. I'm so sorry about the death of her cousin. Having the "baby blues" is no fun, and when you're already feeling down, a tragedy such as a death or illness of a family member can really magnify those feelings. Hope she feels better soon.

-- Edited by freespirit on Friday 26th of March 2010 11:29:04 PM

jdona · Platinum

It shouldn't surprise anyone that Hillary would celebrate Universal Health Care, even if the bill is less than perfect, both Clintons and others have openly stated it was more important to pass an imperfect bill than no bill and all the problems would be fixed with amendments. UHC has always been a Clinton cause and that won't change. I think we need to step back and look at this as one cause in the context of a lifetime of causes and judge her whole career not just the one thing we are disappointed in. I've no doubt she will push to correct the gender and age bias in this bill, and that is what we should start to monitor very closely and maybe we as a blog should start to organize against that?

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

jdona wrote:

It shouldn't surprise anyone that Hillary would celebrate Universal Health Care, even if the bill is less than perfect, both Clintons and others have openly stated it was more important to pass an imperfect bill than no bill and all the problems would be fixed with amendments. UHC has always been a Clinton cause and that won't change. I think we need to step back and look at this as one cause in the context of a lifetime of causes and judge her whole career not just the one thing we are disappointed in. I've no doubt she will push to correct the gender and age bias in this bill, and that is what we should start to monitor very closely and maybe we as a blog should start to organize against that?

I wasn't upset about her celebrating this victory so much as its unpopular and her involvement could wipe out any shot of becoming President one more time she sacrifices herself for a man. She is free and clear of this bill/law. She needs to remain that way.

Best thing for me to do is get rid of the Democrats and make the ones that remain more terrified of losing their jobs then to back these types of laws. There will be voter revenege in Nov. I expect NY to have two red seats in the Senate. I see total devastation in the house and I see maybe one or two Senators keeping their seats. CA will have a red seat.
The Dems have to be taught a lesson that Republicans also must learn The American people are boss not party or rich people

jdona · Platinum

I truly hope you are right about the voters turning against the Dems that voted for this bill in Nov., but I am doubting that will happen. There's already been a increase in the polls supporting this bill now that it has passed, and the electorate seems to have short memories. I never thought I would support the Tea Party movement in anything, but I do hope they keep the protests up and actually hope they increase their numbers and their protests.

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

I think that the Conservatives are going to get fired up. The Democrats most at risk is the Blue Dogs but once the Liberals start realizes its over. I wouldn't count on the polls going down enough for the Dems to get away with this. Health care has never been popular.

Bloomer · Platinum

Although I WAS a lifetime registered Democrat for 35 years. After the 2008 elections I left the Democratic party, and registered as an Independant, I just couldn't go that far left.

I have come to believe that the only thing that is right.......is that the voices of the people not only should be......but as in our constitution MUST be heard. This is what our Democracy was founded on.
As I look at our Country today, I am saddened, we aren't being heard.
Hillary should by all rights be the POTUS.....I don't give a d*** about the caucases, primaries and the electorial college.
There should be two votes period on two days only.....first to elect a candidate from the parties and second to elect the POTUS. The electorial college is BS and needs to be trashed. To H*** with what states are bigger......in the end the TOTAL vote of THE PEOPLE is all that should be counted. It's our RIGHT!!!!!

One thing is for sure......if this was all done on one day there would be no more of this....Michigan, Florida ect......votes don't count.
How soon people forget!!!!!

So although I have always supported Hillary, I too am disappointed in her recent moves. I know she is under enormous pressure and she has delicate decisions to make. But none the least, I am disappointed. And sometimes I find myself questioning her and Bill's motives. I will be watching closely to see what developes, we still have a long road ahead of us. I will not count her out just yet either. Time will tell.......
But I also will be active in promoting the " taking the country back", road also
I will be attending as many of the Townhall meetings here in Iowa as possible.
I'm heading to Omaha, NE with Layne, on Thursday, April 1st, to meet up with the "Tea Party Express Bus Rally" I feel that alot of their mission is similar in ways to some of PUMAS, and from what I'm hearing, many are Puma who will be attending too.
After that it's hopefully on to Washington DC to meet up with Destiny and I'm sure others on Sept. 12th for the "Tea Party Rally"
I just need to feel as though I'm doing something more this time around.......

Jen the Michigander · SuperModerator

The Tea Party Express sponsored the event I attended back in October. I also attended one of their McCain rallies in the fall of 2008. There are some good people among that bunch-- I especially like their singer Lloyd Marcus-- but their views are very conservative and I wasn't comfortable with some of the rhetoric that I heard. It wasn't racist or violent or anything close to it, just too far to the right for me. And the crowd was also pretty far to the right. Maybe it's different in other states, but here in Michigan it wasn't an event where I would expect to find any of my fellow PUMAs.

freespirit · Moderator

Jen, I think you're spot on about the Tea Party movement. Initially, I thought the movement would be inclusive and the leaders would have the good sense to actually reach out to the Dems and former Dems who were fed-up with the 2008 primary and election. I contacted the leader of the Tea Party movement in my area, and expressed my hope that it would not represent only conservatives. I should have known better. In the South, the far right is synonymous with Christianity, and if you're pro-choice or pro- women's rights, you might as well wear a red "A" on your pilgrim dress, and ride a broom to the rally. God forbid that you're pro-Hillary. Hell, they'll heat the tar up and pluck every chicken in the county to make sure they have plenty of feathers for you.

The Tea Party movement missed a golden opportunity to be at the center of a broad coalition of moderate Repubs, Dems, and Indys, imo. When I saw Shaun Hannity's dumb ass on stage dressed like a cross between Mick Jagger and Buffalo Bill, trying to sing like a rock star, I knew that wasn't the movement for me. Maybe in other areas, it's more centrist, but it seems too right wing for me.

Bloomer, I hear ya about the treatment Hillary received. Just the issue of MI and FL alone, should be enough to cause every Dem in the country to resign. Had it happened to a man, we would have still been hearing about it, but because it happened to Hillary, who, MSM has deemed "polarizing", then, it's not supposed to be a big deal. Well, to hell with that. I left the party too, and am so glad I did.

Ebinger · Platinum

Lol, yep, I have about the same impression of this "Tea Party" - they seem rather kooky to me, as did Obots and Troofers. I never thought Sean Hannity would make a good singer anyways, and he was serious?
.
"Polarizing" . . . yeah, the MSM was saying that about Hillary, but they held Obama up as some great "uniter". Oops!!!

Hillarysmygirl16 wrote:

I think that the Conservatives are going to get fired up. The Democrats most at risk is the Blue Dogs but once the Liberals start realizes its over. I wouldn't count on the polls going down enough for the Dems to get away with this. Health care has never been popular.

Yeah, I think they'll win as a backlash against Obama. I do think Hillary needs to try to get the hell away from Obama, and it might be too late for that to help now. You sound as if you think Babs Boxer is going to be taken out this fall, I think you're right and Patty Murray (yes-Obama) is in big trouble in this state as well.

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

CA is going to lose Boxer and NY is going to face a double whammy Chuckie Boy is going down and so is Gillibrand. Obama is going to make 94 look like a good year for the Democrats. The American people do not like when politicans do not listen to them.
I will always be a Hillary supporter I have expressed my frustration and its time to move on. I am not happy with some of the decisions that she made but that is what makes me not a Hillbot. I support her but that doesn't mean I always agree with her.
We are not cookie cutters here.
I was extremely upset about the passage of this bill. I never trust new laws because they never turn out the way the media says.
I am back to work now. I had to take some time away for my health and then my daughter had a difficult C-Section and a new baby.
I have been working very hard for the past two years and I needed to take some time for my offline life.

freespirit · Moderator

HMG, I know what you mean about taking some time away. I've had to do so myself. I think you voiced the disappointment that some of us feel regarding HCR and Hillary's involvement in it. Obviously, the lack of transparency and the complex nature of the bill are cause for suspicion. I'm very worried, and do not share the Clintons' view of "pass it now - fix it later". That might be ok if we were talking about a law that had little impact on our daily lives and the lives of our families - but, this is huge. We will feel the effects sharply and soon. By the time the bill is "fixed" it may be too late for some of us. JMHO

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

freespirit wrote:

HMG, I know what you mean about taking some time away. I've had to do so myself. I think you voiced the disappointment that some of us feel regarding HCR and Hillary's involvement in it. Obviously, the lack of transparency and the complex nature of the bill are cause for suspicion. I'm very worried, and do not share the Clintons' view of "pass it now - fix it later". That might be ok if we were talking about a law that had little impact on our daily lives and the lives of our families - but, this is huge. We will feel the effects sharply and soon. By the time the bill is "fixed" it may be too late for some of us. JMHO

I am not so disappointed in either Clinton. I agree with you that this bill is bad but sometimes I don't think the law makers understand the impact their laws have on not only people but whole communities. I remember being upset about the Rockerfeller law I knew it was going to finish the ghetto off and it damn near did. It was Farakaun who stepped and at least slowed down the violence. His Million Man March saved the hood. He told black men to stop leaving their children.
Yes Farakaun is a racist but he did do the right thing I think any real change is going to have to come from the OGs though because they understand
This health care reform law is going to do the same thing to our females that Rockerfeller did to our males.
I dont have insurrance I am on the waiting list for the State's public option which would cost me maybe 35 dollars a month. That list is about 5 years.
I go to the community health clinic which charges me a fee based on my monthly income its usually 10 this prevents me from going to the hospital. The supermarket has a 4 dollar generic program which takes care of my meds. Its a lot cheaper for me and it doesn't cost anyone money. Yet now I have to worry about if I could afford health insurrance. I have decided not to obey this law and would be willing to challenge it.