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An excellent article by riverdaughter challenging the left blogosphere to get out before they're made to look like even bigger fools for buying into the bull sh** served up  by Obama and the DNC.  I was so proud of all of us when we refused to bend to the pressure the party applied  - the demands for us to "get on board".  They ridiculed us, they tried to throw us under the bus, they told us to stay home.  They were able to charm or bully the rest of the party into submission, but by damn, they did not do so with us.  Our candidate may have had the election stolen from her, but we were not beaten.  It would take someone a lot stronger and smarter than the likes of Donna Brazeal, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Rham, John Kerry, or any other Damn Dem to beat us.

Know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em, know when to walk away
by: riverdaughter

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Last year, we were hotly criticized for not jumping on the Obama bandwagon.  We were called every name in the book.  We were told we were jeopardizing the lives of other women because we wouldn’t budge even in the face of Deomcratic scare tactics when it came to abortion.  Some of this was because we doubted the sincerity of a party that scrubbed all references of reproductive rights from most of their candidate’s websites.  But mostly it was because there was a line we were not prepared to cross.  We were not going to let the Democratic party benefit from our votes when we knew they had disenfranchised many of us during the primaries.  We were not going to let the party take our votes for granted.  If they wanted them, they needed to give us something first.  They didn’t and we didn’t.  We walked away.
In retrospect, I think that was a good move on our part.  It revealed the Democratic party for what it really was.  They were mean and nasty to us.  They called us “bitter knitters”.  We were old, uneducated women.  We were racists.  Jon Favreau sent us an FU postcard.  For awhile there, before the economy tanked, they were very worried that we would actually make a difference.  There is power in walking away.
I blame the party for depriving my friends of the pure joy of seeing the first African-American elected as president of the United States of America.  I watched a sea of elation in Bryant Park in Chicago on a TV in a little bar in Manhattan and suddenly, I was one with that crowd.  I was filled with joy and exhileration.  But no one around me was celebrating.  The women I was with saw themselves as roadkill on the way to Obama’s victory.
But we walked away.  And now we have been vindicated.  They really were the awful, big business compromised, evangelical voter toe suckers and all around unprincipled players we thought they were.  The might have run us over but at least we didn’t hop into bed with them.
The rest of the left blogosphere has a choice.  They can continue to be ****ed over by these *******s or they can preserve the rest of their dignity and walk away.  The road to rehabilitation starts by ripping up your party card and mailing it to Donna Brazile.  Then, join the rest of us.  We’re the third party.  We’re the rapidly growing group of voters in every state that designates themselves as unaffiliated.  We’re the potential 30% of elected female officials who will change this country.  We’re the people who don’t have to hold our elected officials accountable anymore because we are through dealing with them. And I think we have finally achieved the critical mass to become our own third party.
Just walk away.
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/know-when-to-hold-em-know-when-to-fold-em-know-when-to-walk-away/

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Amen! I'm going to go tweet this.

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Walking away from the Democratic Party wasn't easy, but I'm glad I did it.  I'd rather not have a political affiliation than allow myself to be abused by these know-nothing Dems.  All they wanted was to be the party in power so they could be the ones bullying.  No thanks.  They can have their "historic" presidency all to themselves.

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I won't quote from this article because it might already be posted as a thread.  I think Siskind is right.  We can no longer be an appendage of the Democratic Party.  Either we support a third party or we become independent and learn to criticize both Dems and Reps.  If people of color, women, working people, etc. want to move forward, they can no longer allow themselves to be held hostage by the Democrats.  We also have to reach out to the Republicans and others.  As long as the Democrats think they are the only game in town and that they've got us in their pockets, we'll keep getting treated like second-class citizens (like people whose interests are of lesser relevance).  The only thing the Dems apparently want is to win elections to they can continue giving billions out to banks and the financial industry.  I'm pretty tired of that.  Either they listen to us or they get their butts kicked out of office in the next election.  It's time to walk away from a Party that has lost its soul.

I might add that although Siskind doesn't question the logic of the whole health care reform bill (she only has issues with how women have been marginalized), I personally have problems with its cost ($1 trillion) and how healthcare costs will apparently continue to skyrocket for people as a whole under this bill.  At this point I think they should scrap it and start again.

"Why Women's Organizations Must Become Non-Partisan" Amy Siskind, Huffington Post, 11/8/09



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More than anything I wish the government would stay out of women's bodies. I don't need them telling me or another woman telling me what I should do or not do. I know what is best for my own body, given my own personal or life experiences, or life events, it is my decision.

Just this morning I tried to do some figuring, let me admit I'm not very good at this.

We pay (2 in the family plan) $1,320 a month for health care, that comes out to $15,840 a year.

Let's see they say we have a population of 330 million people, and that 45,000,000 are not covered by insurance. There's another 66,000,000 that are covered by Medicare (well, wouldn't that be 20% of the population?) So when I add that together, the figure comes to 110,000,000. 330 million minus 110 million, gives me a figure of 220 who wouldn't be figured in with different criteria (they don't receive medicare)


Currently we have 70,000,000 single payer familes probably like me paying 15,000 a year.That comes out to a trillion plus (70,000,000 x 15, 35000000000, is $1,050.00,000,000) And I didn't include medicare in this figure.

So just exactly how are we going to have a savings with this health bill, and if we don't how much more will we pay on the family plan? Now I need to factor in the fact thatnext year is retirement, and I did get a notice that Blue Cross will go up $100 more next year...........I can't figure how much we will pay out of pocket,
and what will be available for medicare, and just how this will all work out in the
best interest of my family.  Universal health has been around along time, do doubt
with Hillary leading the way.  I've always said I would be willing to pay taxes towards it, but I really don't believe I can trust the government.  I just have a feeling somehow we will have millions who will not get covered, regardless of
what Obama and congress says.

It relates to what you are talking about, because the dems are in control, and the republicans are not on board.  So again, it's down to playing politics.

I'll tell you I agree with Amy........I am for abortion (pro choice), and I am not
going to battle with women who are against it, we need to come together,
regardless of our opinions on this issue.  For the first time in my life, Hillary proved
that we are indeed a strong voting block, and continue to be!




-- Edited by Building 4112 on Monday 9th of November 2009 11:25:54 AM

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Thanks for the posting, FreeSpirit, and mighty fast figuring there, Tex/Bldg4112!  Not sure of the answer on the health care.  The problem is that the people in charge aren't anywhere near objective, hence they cannot come up with a fair system.  Hey, I've got an idea - put Hillary back in charge of that!!

Here's some more good reading from The Confluence (all in quotes):

This has been a very tough weekend to be a liberal who saw through Obama from the beginning when so many other other people who previously seemed sane and reasonable just gulped down the Koolaid and adjusted their blinders so as to see only “hope ‘n change” filtered through their rose-colored glasses. I don’t enjoy saying “I told you so” anymore. The consequences of electing an inexperienced, narcissistic, apparently amoral, misogynistic, homophobic man to the presidency are becoming all too clear. And those results are tragic.

From where I sit, the pain of the unconscionable betrayal of women by the President and the U.S. House of Representatives still feels fresh. Stateofdisbelief said it so well yesterday in a comment on Quixote’s post:

Yep. Last night was it for me. They can all pound. F#$K Sestak, F#$K Specter, F#$K Holden. I am done. No help. No phone calls. No canvassing. No money. No vote.

I hate them all.

There is no one that can argue with a straight face that women should vote for Democrats. There is nothing. They burnt the bridge.

It’s over for me too. I can never again consider myself a Democrat. We need a new party to represent those of us who were FDR, JFK, LBJ, WJC, HRC Democrats–there is no longer room in our former party for liberals who believe in equal rights for all and compassion for our fellow humans. Both of the parties now represent only the superrich and giant multinational banks and corporations. We’re on our own now. As Quixote wrote so eloquently:

But women are just, as always, the expendable canaries in the coal mine. Their rights are toast, which means so are everyone else’s.

I’m going to shout that: WOMEN’S RIGHTS ARE TOAST WHICH MEANS SO ARE EVERYONE ELSE’S.

Rights are for all. When only some people have them, they’re just privileges. And privileges can be taken away….

The right to control one’s own person is fundamental. Even the right not to be murdered is secondary, since killing is allowed in self-defence.

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I'd also like to say that I'm starting a new eating program - o.k., let's call it what it is:  A DIET! - today.  I looked at a site called Spark or something, and they want my personal info.  So I'm just going to write about my progress here, if ya'll don't mind.  Thanks in advance for your help!  I'll probably post at the bottom of my regular posts, and make the font smaller, so it won't be obtrusive.  If anyone else wants to share experiences, we could do that, but it would probably have to go to a different room, which I would be willing to do.  There might even already BE a different room for it.  But this is good for now.wink



-- Edited by Alex on Monday 9th of November 2009 04:16:25 PM

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I've been on the phone, to my district office, and everyone in between..............
As always, it's the poor & young women who will resort to the back alley. They sold us out, and opened that damn door for Obama! He rode in on the back of women, and forgot all about civil rights, and they laid down and let him walk right over them.

I couldn't be more bitter, and to think it was George Miller from the Richmond, Ca. district
that backed Pelosi up. He couldn't even come out against the 15 year old girl who was
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I wish I had a list of all the women's organizations that endorsed Obama..........so I can call them and throw it in their face!

NOW
202- 268-8669 ext 116

NARAL
202-973-3000

Emily's List
202-326-1400

Planned Parenthood
212-541-7800 NY
202-973-4800 DC


I told them they make want to vomit every day of the week.  I asked them how does it feel in the land of milk and honey.

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I'm telling you this man is driving me crazy. Now that every woman in this country is on the phone, he's decided the bill should be revised, and he objects to the language.

Obama vs. Stupak - Got it.

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Great article I am not sure I understand why everyone  is talking about poor women.  I don't think this is going to pass the Senate its way to close in the house for it to ever pass the more conservative Senate.

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I agree it's not likely to pass in the Senate. I sure hope not, anyway.

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According to my district, it's a done deal, and the pro life group is up and at it, and selling it like hotcakes.............the problem I have is that this entire bill does invade and control women's private medical issues, if they can get away with this, they will continue to throw all the poor sick people into the streets.

Go read the news, read SF Gate, go read the news, they are out selliing it, and Pelosiis showing up all over the country, explaining why she allowed this to happen.

The jerk in the White House said "No federal dollars will be used to fund abortions."
Sure, Naral, Planned Parenthood, Now, Emily's list..........they are gearing up for the fight, and they are very careful not to land the blame on Obama!

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Commentary from the Confluence (following is all in quotes):

...reason people give for opposing abortion.  For those who try to maintain their liberal cred, another argument is used that is equally repugnant.  For example, as the Opologists and “unity pony” brigade reach for excuses to deflect from the heinous and reckless disregard for women’s health that occurred late Saturday night, they have wrapped their florescent yellow, cheesy-tasting, sticky powder coated fingers around one particular refrain.  In their attempts to defend the Democratic betrayal also known as the Stupid Stupak Sepsis amendment, they have resurrected the “abortion is an elective procedure” theory.

Let’s get one thing straight.  Abortion. Is. Not. An. Elective. Procedure.  It is medical procedure that results from a natural biological process specific to women.  Women do not want to get an abortion.  It is not done for cosmetic purposes.

What’s worse is that this meme has it’s genesis in the “ratf#@!ing racist” republican rhetoric about “Welfare Mothers.”  You know what I’m talking about.  You’ve heard the loathsome racist diatribes about those “welfare mothers” who are always pregnant, feeding at the trough of the Welfare system.  They’re animals who breed for greed.”  Yes, we’ve all heard about the irresponsible women who fornicate and spread their legs without regard for the fact that they’ll get pregnant.  And then *gasp* they’ll want us to pay for their abortions when they can’t stop reproducing! Surely that’s an “elective procedure.”  We don’t want our tax dollars paying for their irresponsible behavior.  We shouldn’t have to pay for abortion that is nothing more than birth control.  And on and on and on and on.  It’s steeped in racist ideology.

Yep…all you Cheeto chewing, kool-aid swillers who are pushing the idea that abortion is an “elective procedure”– you’re RACIST.  So stop pushing these “ratf#@!ing racist” memes as a way to defend teh precious; or you might as well don your white sheets and get those crosses ready.  Or you can join in opposition to what is clearly against the Democratic Platform, anathema to our Constitution, gender-related oppressive discrimination, and yes, RACIST.

Oh, so you’re NOT racist? and you’re just making a rational argument are you?  OK, I’ll bite.  It’s “elective” why?  Because the woman chose to have sex and pregnancy is a known potential outcome?  If that’s your argument, then I guess we’ll have to ban, yes BAN — because that’s what these legislative actions are doing — payments for medical procedures to correct things like broken bones caused in accidents.  That certainly isn’t life threatening.  You can CHOOSE to walk funny or go on with the use of only one arm.  You CHOSE to ski, drive, fix your roof, ride a bike, ride a motorcycle, walk down your steps, get in your bathtub without a mat, play football (or any other sport) because of course injury is a known potential outcome for doing any one of these, right?  So, if you insist on calling an abortion elective, so too must treatments for all other medical conditions arising out of actions where there is the known possibility of injury be elective and barred from insurance coverage.  It’s only fair right?  You can always get a “rider

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/abortion-is-not-an-elective-medical-procedure/



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