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TOPIC: Peggy Noonan: He Can't Take Another Bow (WSJ 11/27/09)


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The news has been kind of slow this weekend. Hillary is taking some well-deserved time off. So I don't have many articles to post. But here's one about 0 that I think y'all will like:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703499404574558134111577494.html

This week, two points in an emerging pointillist picture of a White House leaking support—not the support of voters, though polls there show steady decline, but in two core constituencies, Washington's Democratic-journalistic establishment, and what might still be called the foreign-policy establishment.

From journalist Elizabeth Drew, a veteran and often sympathetic chronicler of Democratic figures, a fiery denunciation of—and warning for—the White House. In a piece in Politico on the firing of White House counsel Greg Craig, Ms. Drew reports that while the president was in Asia last week, "a critical mass of influential people who once held big hopes for his presidency began to wonder whether they had misjudged the man." They once held "an unromantically high opinion of Obama," and were key to his rise, but now they are concluding that the president isn't "the person of integrity and even classiness they had thought."

She scored "the Chicago crowd," which she characterized as "a distressingly insular and small-minded West Wing team." The White House, Ms. Drew says, needs adult supervision—"an older, wiser head, someone with a bit more detachment."


Do I really need to say what I'm thinking right now?

As I read Ms. Drew's piece, I was reminded of something I began noticing a few months ago in bipartisan crowds. I would ask Democrats how they thought the president was doing. In the past they would extol, with varying degrees of enthusiasm, his virtues. Increasingly, they would preface their answer with, "Well, I was for Hillary." This in turn reminded me of a surprising thing I observe among loyal Democrats in informal settings and conversations: No one loves Barack Obama. Half the American people say they support him, and Democrats are still with him. But there were Bill Clinton supporters who really loved him. George W. Bush had people who loved him. A lot of people loved Jack Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. But no one seems to love Mr. Obama now; they're not dazzled and head over heels. That's gone away. He himself seems a fairly chilly customer; perhaps in turn he inspires chilly support. But presidents need that rock—bottom 20% who, no matter what's happening—war, unemployment—adore their guy, have complete faith in him, and insist that you love him, too.

They're the hard 20 a president always keeps. Nixon kept them! Obama probably has a hard 20 too, but whatever is keeping them close, it doesn't seem to be love.


It's called Kool-Aid.

In a presidency, a picture or photograph becomes iconic only when it seems to express something people already think. When Gerald Ford was spoofed for being physically clumsy, it took off. The picture of Ford losing his footing and tumbling as he came down the steps of Air Force One became a symbol. There was a reason, and it wasn't that he was physically clumsy. He was not only coordinated but graceful. He'd been a football star at the University of Michigan and was offered contracts by the Detroit Lions and Green Bay Packers.

But the picture took off because it expressed the growing public view that Ford's policies were bumbling and stumbling. The picture was iconic of a growing political perception.

The Obama bowing pictures are becoming iconic, and they would not be if they weren't playing off a growing perception. If the pictures had been accompanied by headlines from Asia saying "Tough Talks Yield Big Progress" or "Obama Shows Muscle in China," the bowing pictures might be understood this way: "He Stoops to Conquer: Canny Obama shows elaborate deference while he subtly, toughly, quietly advances his nation's interests."

But that's not how the pictures were received or will be remembered.


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I tried posting this last night but the computer here at the job kept shutting down.  I loved this article. 

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Please forgive my French, but holy crap!  This is wonderful.smile  Pampers doesn't even have a rock-bottom 20% base that likes him no matter what.  I know the article says it doesn't appear that he has it, but does.  I disagree - Barack's screwn so many people over across these United States that HE HAS NO SUPPORT!

How can that even be possible?  Massive amounts of voters were ready to love this man, but Obama is SO VERY ROTTEN that he's squandered all the good faith that was available.  This is EXACTLY what George Bush did after 9/11.  Boy could have brought the whole world together, but instead he attacked a country that had nothing to do with destroying the Twin Towers and killing 3000.

Two frickin' peas in a pod, chosen for you by the Creepy Corporate Cabal.  And dip$#!ts like Peggy Noonan helped get him in there.  Looks like her corporate overlords want her to sing a different tune now.evileye

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The news has been kind of slow this weekend. Hillary is taking some well-deserved time off. So I don't have many articles to post. But here's one about 0 that I think y'all will like:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703499404574558134111577494.html

This week, two points in an emerging pointillist picture of a White House leaking support—not the support of voters, though polls there show steady decline, but in two core constituencies, Washington's Democratic-journalistic establishment, and what might still be called the foreign-policy establishment.

From journalist Elizabeth Drew, a veteran and often sympathetic chronicler of Democratic figures, a fiery denunciation of—and warning for—the White House. In a piece in Politico on the firing of White House counsel Greg Craig, Ms. Drew reports that while the president was in Asia last week, "a critical mass of influential people who once held big hopes for his presidency began to wonder whether they had misjudged the man." They once held "an unromantically high opinion of Obama," and were key to his rise, but now they are concluding that the president isn't "the person of integrity and even classiness they had thought."

She scored "the Chicago crowd," which she characterized as "a distressingly insular and small-minded West Wing team." The White House, Ms. Drew says, needs adult supervision—"an older, wiser head, someone with a bit more detachment."


Do I really need to say what I'm thinking right now?

As I read Ms. Drew's piece, I was reminded of something I began noticing a few months ago in bipartisan crowds. I would ask Democrats how they thought the president was doing. In the past they would extol, with varying degrees of enthusiasm, his virtues. Increasingly, they would preface their answer with, "Well, I was for Hillary." This in turn reminded me of a surprising thing I observe among loyal Democrats in informal settings and conversations: No one loves Barack Obama. Half the American people say they support him, and Democrats are still with him. But there were Bill Clinton supporters who really loved him. George W. Bush had people who loved him. A lot of people loved Jack Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. But no one seems to love Mr. Obama now; they're not dazzled and head over heels. That's gone away. He himself seems a fairly chilly customer; perhaps in turn he inspires chilly support. But presidents need that rock—bottom 20% who, no matter what's happening—war, unemployment—adore their guy, have complete faith in him, and insist that you love him, too.

They're the hard 20 a president always keeps. Nixon kept them! Obama probably has a hard 20 too, but whatever is keeping them close, it doesn't seem to be love.


It's called Kool-Aid.

In a presidency, a picture or photograph becomes iconic only when it seems to express something people already think. When Gerald Ford was spoofed for being physically clumsy, it took off. The picture of Ford losing his footing and tumbling as he came down the steps of Air Force One became a symbol. There was a reason, and it wasn't that he was physically clumsy. He was not only coordinated but graceful. He'd been a football star at the University of Michigan and was offered contracts by the Detroit Lions and Green Bay Packers.

But the picture took off because it expressed the growing public view that Ford's policies were bumbling and stumbling. The picture was iconic of a growing political perception.

The Obama bowing pictures are becoming iconic, and they would not be if they weren't playing off a growing perception. If the pictures had been accompanied by headlines from Asia saying "Tough Talks Yield Big Progress" or "Obama Shows Muscle in China," the bowing pictures might be understood this way: "He Stoops to Conquer: Canny Obama shows elaborate deference while he subtly, toughly, quietly advances his nation's interests."

But that's not how the pictures were received or will be remembered.




 



-- Edited by Alex on Saturday 28th of November 2009 09:38:13 AM

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RE: Peggy Noonan: He Can't Take Another Bow (WSJ 11/27/09)
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I am telling you all the media and dems saying maybe we should have picked Hillary make me want to puke.  We told you that long ago, but you let that unethical female pelosi make calls and demand that superdelegates make up their mind and strongly hinted they needed to hop on board the Obama train.  Pelosi and many of the other democrats in congress wanted someone they could push around to get their agenda passed no matter the harm it would do.  No we are stuck with the sucky Monday night quarterback articles like this   http://www.thespectrum.com/article/20091128  /OPINION/91128002/Should+Democrats+have+gone+with+Hillary+instead  When we told you what play to make to win the game and the establishment messed up.

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Over the past few months I've heard from hard-core liberals who are extremely angry with Obama.

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The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that what we're seeing here are Hillary's 18 million coming out of the woodwork. Some of these people (including some of my best friends smile.gif) became and remained PUMAs, but others who voted for Hillary in the primaries went on to support 0 because they wanted to be good Democrats, un-racist, or they wanted to give 0 a chance. It is this latter group, I believe, that we are hearing from now. In 2008, 0 was able to use a lot of smoke-and-mirror techniques to make it look as if he had more support than he actually did. Now the mirror has cracks in it, the smoke is clearing, and it turns out that Hillary really was the Democratic voters' choice candidate all along.

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rachel wrote:
http://www.thespectrum.com/article/20091128  /OPINION/91128002/Should+Democrats+have+gone+with+Hillary+instead 

I love seeing these kinds of articles.  Thanks for posting, Rachel!  From the article:

Clinton would have been a much tougher negotia­tor. She had a sound health reform proposal and I would guarantee she would not have even considered a compromise. Instead, she would have better known how to work Congress and, quite frankly, would have smacked down the Blue Dog Democrats who have proven to be noth­ing more than Lap Dog Democrats who would rather have their conserva­tive constituents scratch them behind the ears for their “fiscal responsibility” than take a stand on behalf of those in real need. And, she would have chosen more wisely from the talent pool for advisement on the economy.


Rachel wrote:

"...you let that unethical female pelosi make calls and demand that superdelegates make up their mind and strongly hinted they needed to hop on board the Obama train."

I think they did more than "strongly hint."  From what I've heard, people were seriously threatened.  We have also read the stories, like the one about the guy who knew what happened with Obama's passport and also the gay choir leader at Obama's church, of people being murdered.

 



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