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Sanders · Diamond

Poll: "Predictions 2012: The GOP Nomination" (TheAtlantic.com 1/3/10)

SugnSpicesMom · Platinum

I received a call from Romney's people today. I told them while in the end I supported the GOP ticket last year that I would NEVER vote for Romney for one reason and one reason only - I'm sure the guy thought I was going to say it was because Romney is Mormon. It was not. I told him that I was disgusted with Romney for making light of Palin's ranking as one of the 100 most influential people by Time magazine. Romney's guy said, "Huh? What did he say?" I told him about Romney's response to someone who questioned what he thought of Palin making the list of Time's 100 and Romney said something to the effect of "Yeah, 100 most beautiful people." You know what Romney's guy said, "Well you have to admit she is beautiful." WTF????? I just said, "You know, men just don't get how offensive that is." I told him when there was a Hillary/Palin ticket I'd support the GOP.

Actually, I doubt that I will ever vote for a Democratic president again. I may have to end up voting for Nader! Just kidding!

-- Edited by SugnSpicesMom on Monday 4th of January 2010 07:48:58 PM

Sanders · Diamond

If Sarah Palin gets the nomination, I have grave concern that she is not sufficiently experienced. It is NOT the time for a 3rd inexperienced person in the Oval office.

Something about Romney simply rubs me the wrong way; he just does not strike me as genuine. Lip deep? I dont know. I cannot pin it down, and I have tried to pin point it.. but simply cannot. So, will I vote for Romney? I dont know.. I have to really closely look at his record. Videos I have looked at looked ok, but they are staged. Never trust staged videos.

Actually, I have come to distrust politicos a bit lately because even the most genuine of them can turn out to be all sham. Yes, I am a bit cynical on all this lately.

How did GOP end up with such a leadership vacuum?

-- Edited by Sanders on Monday 4th of January 2010 08:49:06 PM

SugnSpicesMom · Platinum

Sanders, I agree with you on Palin. I really like her but I do not think she is ready for primetime as President yet. Someday perhaps. I felt comfortable with her as McCain's VP because I didn't think he was headed for the grave thus no concern about Palin ending up as President too early. I would have rather had her at the helm than Obama though.

I met Romney twice while working in McCain's camp. He's actually very nice, definitely charismatic, and I think he's got the stuff for President. He likes to get down in the crowd and press the flesh, talk to people, and I think he's pretty genuine. He needs to cut back on the hair gel though - way too much and it gives me the creeps. I could actually vote for him and feel good about it but I'm still too pissed about the comment about Palin.

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

I have doubts about Sarah as well. I don't know what I am going to do if its Obama/Palin in 2012.

Sanders · Diamond

SugnSpicesMom wrote:
Sanders, I agree with you on Palin. I really like her but I do not think she is ready for primetime as President yet. Someday perhaps. I felt comfortable with her as McCain's VP because I didn't think he was headed for the grave thus no concern about Palin ending up as President too early. I would have rather had her at the helm than Obama though.

I met Romney twice while working in McCain's camp. He's actually very nice, definitely charismatic, and I think he's got the stuff for President. He likes to get down in the crowd and press the flesh, talk to people, and I think he's pretty genuine. He needs to cut back on the hair gel though - way too much and it gives me the creeps. I could actually vote for him and feel good about it but I'm still too pissed about the comment about Palin.

Interesting. Yes, hair gel and that fake look of hair is certainly one of the contributing factors to my unease! But there is something else. It has something to do with his smile? I will figure it out.

Good to know that he is a nice person. Is he a GOOD person? What good deeds has he done in life? I'd be impressed IF - for example - he has volunteered in the local soup kitchen for the past 3-4 years or coordinated relief effort for Katrina... or some such thing that you do not usually hear much of on the Repub side.

Sarah Palin was more ready -- and therefore more confident -- in pitching around for McCain as his VP candidate. She did upstage him without even realizing it... Watch the clips closely. She was not giving McCain the deference that most VP candidates give their prime.

In recent TV appearances, she has been remarkably tense; her words extremely choppy. Her face and body language totally betray a lack of confidence. She had to do last minute reading on the Statue of Liberty and her words about the Statue of Liberty were not inspiring... And this was a HUGE sign for me. I love that symbol of liberty. Anyone saying anything good about that Statue just thrills me to goose bumps... And, Sarah about Statue of Liberty was ... well... blah!!!!!!

Leaders should know how to inspire people in every place they are situated. Good, bad and ugly. They need to have a sixth sense of their setting and be able to view themselves in that setting "from the balcony." Perhaps this is why her interview in front of turkey chopping house was such a fiasco... she just did not see it from the viewpoint of the viewing angle.

When that leadership is missing -- and I feel so far that it is missing but I may change my mind on this if there is enough evidence to the contrary -- we revert to the basics. Her positions, her party, her agenda and what she represents. She has repeatedly emphasized "the planks of the party" -- we already know she is ultra conservative.. and she has made no attempts to embrace the moderates.

So, for now, observing her with significant reservations.

I will take a closer look at Romney and Pawlenty.

I will also take a closer look at how Obama is evolving. If he improves from the Haiti performance (which was decent), and if the economy recovers, and if he lets the Clintons do their thing without interfering... lot of ifs... may be he stands a chance... particularly if it is Obama v. Palin in 2012.

I wish there was another strong female leader in the Dem party.

-- Edited by Sanders on Saturday 16th of January 2010 11:59:58 AM

freespirit · Moderator

This is really cause for concern, imo. If O runs again, I don't think anyone on that poll can beat him. Unless Palin becomes a much more knowledgeable and moderate person before 2012 - I couldn't support her.

And Romney - there's no way. He's way too conservative for my taste. And while I would never disparage another's religious beliefs, the truth cannot be ignored. Unless I'm seriously mistaken, the Mormon church, while allowing women to fulfill some leadership rolls in the church, expects women to assume a secondary roll, in the church, the family, society. Birth control is discouraged, if not forbidden. And some of the ceremonies at the higher levels of spiritual accomplishment in the Mormon temple are very unusual, to say the least. At least they are very different from anything to which I've been exposed in more traditional churches. Another issue with which Romney will be faced will be that of race. Early in the Mormon history, as I understand it, the church actually taught racist views - against AAs. That changed sometime later, and the Mormon's have a statement in their church doctrine, now, that condemns racism and notes that the church does not condone it. That said, it is not my wish to offend anyone on this forum who might be Mormon. If that's the case, I apologize. I researched this church several years ago for a project I was involved with. My memory may not be as clear as it should be.

Can't the PUBs come up with anyone who is moderate, qualified, electable??!! Hell, the Dems new they had the 2008 elections because of the country's Bush/war fatigue. The Pubs could have the same situation in 2012, with people being sick of Obama and the Dems spending us into poverty and beyond.

They need to come up with someone- and start the grooming process, now.

-- Edited by freespirit on Sunday 17th of January 2010 12:25:40 AM

Bloomer · Platinum

So very true.....the GOP cannot wait until 6 to 12 months before the election and throw a candidate out there and expect to win. I don't understand it.......there has to be someone they can come up with for 2012. They really need some new blood and thye need to do away with all these has beens that have proven they can't win.

Sanders · Diamond

Bloomer wrote:
So very true.....the GOP cannot wait until 6 to 12 months before the election and throw a candidate out there and expect to win. I don't understand it.......there has to be someone they can come up with for 2012. They really need some new blood and thye need to do away with all these has beens that have proven they can't win.

STAMP! STAMP!!

Yes, this is precisely what I talk about with a couple of people today. These frineds are two people who are very astute and big followers of all news. Each conversation resulted in zero new names.. and we said there is really no bench strength on the Repub side.. Well, for that matter, not much on the Dem side either.

I revisited one of the older posts -- it is really too bad that Jennifer Granholm (D-MI) is a Canadian.

Well, who else is there? Anyone who talks reasonably centrist voice out there? I dont know.

Texas Playwright · gold

Hillary/Sarah would work for me. Start educating Sarah now. She has executive experience. The best line I've heard about her so far is, "What she doesn't know she can learn and what she does know can't be taught."

If Sarah wants to run, I think she must start "publicly" educating herself.