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TOPIC: Tea Party ‘founder’: Palin, Gingrich a ‘joke’ (Daniel Tencer, The Raw Story, 10/20/10)


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Tea Party ‘founder’: Palin, Gingrich a ‘joke’ (Daniel Tencer, The Raw Story, 10/20/10)
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Tea Party ‘founder’: Palin, Gingrich a ‘joke’

A financial blogger and ex-CEO credited with being one of the original "founders" of the Tea Party has come out against the movement, saying it has been hijacked by the very people it was protesting and is now obsessed with "guns, gays and God."

In a "message" to the Tea Party Wednesday, Karl Denninger declared that he "ought to sue" anyone who uses the Tea Party name "for defamation."

"Yeah, that's a joke," he writes. "But so are you. All of you. Especially Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, and douchebag groups such as the 'Tea Party Patriots.'"

Denninger writes: "Tea Party my ass. This was nothing other than the Republican Party stealing the anger of a population that was fed up with the Republican Party's own theft of their tax money at gunpoint to bail out the robbers of Wall Street and fraudulently redirecting it back toward electing the very people who stole all the ****ing money!"

Denninger runs Market Ticker, a financially-focused blog that has been strongly opposed to bank bailouts and has railed against excessive government spending. He founded the group FedUpUSA in early 2008, shortly after the collapse of investment bank Bear Stearns.

In January of 2009, Market Ticker bloggers including Graham Makohoniuk and Stephanie Jasky suggested "mailing a tea bag" to Congress to protest the planned $800-billion stimulus package and $700-billion bank bailout. Denninger followed that up with a call for a "tea party" protest to coincide with President Obama's inauguration, thus helping to unofficially launch the political movement.

“I saw everybody fawning over Obama with the inauguration and yet here he was appointing people like Larry Summer[s] and Tim Geithner to his team who were all part of creating the problem,” Denninger said in a media interview.

Now Denninger says the whole movement has been steered away from its mission to demand fiscal responsibility from government and financial institutions.

"The Tea Party was initiated as a political protest against the unlawful and in fact unconstitutional usurpation of power from the Congress and The People in the form of extortion-led bailouts of enterprises that had engaged in acts that I, and many others, believe were at least civilly actionable and in many cases crossed the line into criminal activity.

This indictment is not limited to the nation's large banks, although it certainly starts there. The corruption of our economic and monetary systems runs the gamut from Fannie and Freddie through their ties to Congress (including literal sexual encounters in some cases), banking interests selling trash securities to everyone from pension funds on down, judges who don't judge but rather protect monied interests on Wall Street, The Federal Reserve intentionally debasing our currency and monetizing government debt, government spending that is running 40% above revenues and much more.


In short, The Tea Party was and is about the the corruption of American Politics and the blatant and outrageous theft from all Americans that has resulted. It is about personal responsibility and enforcement of the law against those who have robbed, financially ****d and pillaged the nation.


Yet today we hear literally nothing about these issues among the so-called "Tea Party" candidates and their backers. Sarah Palin has not said one word about locking up the banksters that brought up on the housing bubble and economic collapse. Not one word about Bernanke's out-of-control Fed and the arguably unlawful monetization of Fannie and Freddie paper, not to mention the monetization of the Federal Debt.
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While no doubt some portions of this article engages in the typical bickering and blame gaming, there was something about it that I found refreshing. That a founder of the Tea Party would come out and effectively say "Hey no, big celebrity backers, we aren't going to let you co-opt our movement for your own nefarious needs", speaks volumes to me about the integrity of the movement. That sort of statement has to take courage.

So many times I think in our society, when we see something blooming before our eyes, some less savory characters will do everything in their power to tear it down. When that nascent bloom itself may begin to stumble, the kind of folks preprogrammed to be haters will redouble their efforts, trying to cheer it off the cliff. Take for instance EJ Dionne. He's the WaPo columnist who loves and loves to bash the Tea Party, all the while extolling the malaise that is the current Democratic party. He's also the guy who recently said 'the reason we are talking about Hillary as Obama's VP in 2012 is because it's Clinton supporters who are putting forward this idea as way to keep her politically relevant." A rank and file hater. Someone who will just never get it, and someone who if he read this article, would probably try and cast it as some sort of vindication as to why the Tea Party is horrible and instead, miss the larger message.

But when I look at something like this, I have the opposite reaction. Instead of condemning and giving in to those hateful emotions, I feel like I want to help.

When I see a founder of the Tea Party out there asking people to ignore what some others have tried to do in the Tea Party name, and instead call for a return for the Tea Party's values of less government spending, I see a political movement that has the capacity of self-reflection. I see a group of people trying to do what's right, a group of people whose sincerity should not be in question. I see a group of people not worthy of derision, but instead worthy of our help, so that their political movement is not co-opted like ours was.

In fact, I think in some ways PUMAs can relate to what the Tea Partiers are saying here. I think we all know what it feels like to have something you put your hard work into, be coopted by those who don't can't even begin to understand what it takes. Many of us worked hard to get the Democrats where they were in 2008, only to find that when it came time to enjoy the benefits, somebody else was selected. The difference here, from the 2008 Democrats is that, while no one in our leadership would speak up to say "No, what you are doing is wrong", here we see a leader in the Tea Party saying "No, you will not be allowed to coopt the Tea Party to further your own narrative." That's got to take guts.

I found this article very instructive in that sense then, in terms of how we should act and react when we see something like this happening. When we see a group of people fighting enemies from both outside and within who would try and coopt their message, our first reaction shouldn't be to default to our baser emotions and caw along with the rest of rubes who can't tolerate greatness in their midst. That to me, is gratuitous....that to me, is simplistic sophist whining fronting as keying political insight.

Instead, we should be offering something constructive, lending our voices to support those who try and remain honest in their message. Those are goals that transcend political ideology.

I do realize that PUMAs didn't have such allies -- that because we were the first to realize just what a poor turn our politics was taking with the selection of Obama, we were routinely condemned by our detractors -- but that doesn't mean that we should become jaded because of it and do the same to others. On the contrary, I think those of us who went through what we did in 2008, and those of us who had such a hard time getting our voices heard, should show solidarity in numbers and speak up and support those who try and remain honest to their values, just like we did in 2008.

Just something to think about next time you see another hater article about the Tea Party. The hating is easy, it's remaining true to your values, even in the face of Big Money, that is difficult. Instead of helping that kind of tear down along, we should be trying to encourage those who do make an effort to be about something real.

Good on this Tea Party founder who -- despite what other big names may have tried to do in the Tea Party name -- states once and for all what the Tea Party is really about.


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Emi, thanks for posting this. I honestly didn't even know this guy was the founder, so it's good to have a frame of reference. I recall that the Tea Party, initially, was about fiscal responsibility - not social issues, and many PUMAs were supportive of the movement. When it seemed to have been hi-jacked by those who were less invested in the real goals of the Tea Party than in taking advantage of its momentum to further their own political careers and agendas the Tea Party lost support of a significant number of moderates.

We need a strong, moderate movement. If the Tea Party returned to its original purpose, it might be that movement in the future.

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I agree with you completely, free.  I was a huge supporter of the Tea Party during the summer of the "town hall meetings" when they knew more about that healthcare bill than the politicians that were trying to con us all about its contents.

But when it got hijacked by the far-right, that is when I lost interest.  Truth, that is also when I lost interest in the PUMAs.  It became real apparent to me that Republicans were trying to hijack that movement as well for the benefit of Palin.  I have nothing against her, but she just didn't represent to me what the PUMAs were about.

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I agree with you VH. Actually, I could see the Tea partiers as we got deeper into the Health care thing.  That could be becaue i was delving very deep into the money trail already. Tea party was already well co-opted. 

Lack of a clear agenda and goal make Tea party free for the energized right to make it their movement by repeatedly tossing at "Dems" and "RHINO's" (read: Not Center)... well, the word RHINO should have been the give-away.  But many went to the Tea party from the Center..

Yes, honestly I saw very many misguided Centrists and PUMAs become Tea Partiers.. and it was heart-wrenching, sad to see happen.

Some people who got suckered into the movement became very vested in the movement and unwilling to see that the entire Tea party movement has been coopted and even moving the GOP to the far right.   All bought the story line that it is all fiscal... and of course the fiscal conservatism is there.. and it is extreme and all stacked in favor of corporations, but there is a whole agenda of social conservatism that is very extreme.. The Tennessee meet up of Tea party 'coalition' summit even had 'closed door sessions' on social agenda.   We will see it in full force in the coming session.

We do need a strong movement for the Center, but I wonder if both names are fully tainted at this time.  PUMA is less so.. But I truly hope a moderate third party emerges.

-- Edited by Sanders on Thursday 28th of October 2010 12:25:18 AM

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I have nothing against her, but she just didn't represent to me what the PUMAs were about.

Stamp!

When she ran for VP in 2008, she had to adopt McCain's more moderate stance, for the most part.  More recently, she seems to be tracking increasingly to the right.

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I never counted myself a supporter of the Tea Party, but what I think is not conscionable is to take the caricature of the Tea Party put forth by the media and consider it the real thing. When you do that, I think it is counterproductive to actually affecting any sort of meaningful change

It is true that the right wing has tried to coopt to the Tea Party, but the salient point here is that what the right wing has tried to do with it, and what the leaders of the movement themselves are doing, are two different things.

It seems for now that the real leaders of Tea Party are not doing as good a job of portraying their message, as their coopters are in coopting it. The Tea Party does seem to be attacked by the right wing, and while some may want to help the end goal (attack the Tea Party) from a different angle, what I'm suggesting is that instead maybe people should try and help the tea party back to its original goals. Constructive, instead of destructive.

That said, if the Tea Party allows itself to be completely coopted by the right wing, then they deserve no help.

But till that happens, I think it is better to help them beat back their coopters, rather then to open up an offense on another front, so that they can't even defend against enemies from within.

-- Edited by Eminence on Thursday 28th of October 2010 12:36:41 AM

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VotedHillary wrote:
But when it got hijacked by the far-right, that is when I lost interest.  Truth, that is also when I lost interest in the PUMAs.  It became real apparent to me that Republicans were trying to hijack that movement as well for the benefit of Palin.  I have nothing against her, but she just didn't represent to me what the PUMAs were about.


Yeah, I don't agree with HillBuzz here -- they seem to be the major Hillary website beating the drum for PUMAs to line up with Palin.

As for the Tea Party and Palin, it really depends on which Tea Party group you go to. I know some people who are involved with the Tea Party, and they tell me that Palin is routinely denounced as a potential Presidential candidate. They don't like her.

Now, this is different from the national message we are hearing, where supposedly the Tea Party is really the Palin party, but again, this has to do with different types of different Tea Party groups, as well as the different competing agendas each stakeholder has. Some people have a vested interest in painting the Tea Party as wingnuts.

Are they wingnuts? Well, depends which Tea Partier you are talking about, and quite frankly, you could call some Democrats wingnuts. Further, just about anyone can coopt the name, just like just about anyone can say they are a Democrat or a Republican or a giant green banana. Doesn't make it so.

But when you hear from people who actually go to Tea Party groups, you'll see that some groups are indeed religious, some are not and have stayed true to their original message, while others are just not really about much of anything. Some just add the name Tea to their group just to gain exposure. Those are the ones that the media loves to portray as the real Tea Party.

The fact of the matter is though, despite all their failings, the Tea Party isn't just sitting in front of their computer trying to armchair quarterback. They are out there doing a lot of activism, a lot of activism that requires real effort.

That alone I think deserves them of at least some sort of audience if they are saying that some in the right are trying to coopt their message.



-- Edited by Eminence on Thursday 28th of October 2010 12:46:38 AM

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I have nothing against her, but she just didn't represent to me what the PUMAs were about.

Stamp!

When she ran for VP in 2008, she had to adopt McCain's more moderate stance, for the most part.  More recently, she seems to be tracking increasingly to the right.



Exactly! Free, I think when running with McCain, the McCain team was trying to reign in her messaging, and that was part of the conflict there. To a large degree McCain wanted the far right... and we kind of thought McCain would bring someone else like him.. we looked for all moderate action in the governor's work..  but one thing should have clued us in.  Alaska has very high rate of rape... and yet not much work had been done in that area... and in her interview for the governor job, she was totally against abortion in all circumstances.  We got sold by her having a gay friend but she has not made any policy statement on that.

She is nothing that PUMAs stand for.  But she clearly knows to not upset the PUMAs. If she is asked about Hillary -- if there is even a mention of Hillary in the interview -- she goes quiet (with a smile and some more body language). 

And, in the meanwhile, everything I see and hear from her are showing her moving more and more to the right... and I wonder just how more are we going to find!

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I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin and don't like being put in a position of having to defend her, but baseless attacks serve no purpose. Also, more simply put, I am interested in truth, when it comes to all politicians, as any good centrist should be.

When it comes to Sarah Palin and gays, remember Sarah Palin vetoed the Alaskan legislature when they tried to ban same sex domestic partnership benefits. She sided with the AK Supreme Court that did extend same sex domestic partnership benefits.

-- Edited by Eminence on Thursday 28th of October 2010 12:57:23 AM

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